So who?? or what do you believe in??? What is your religion??

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[zozo]

When gets here this is going to the Soapbox!

If christianity is true in the form I see it today, I will gladly go to hell on principal.  Why would an all-powerful deity create a world of suffering for his own amusment, and if he did, why would I want to worship him for it.  He creates a world in which we are intristically drawn towards "sin," and the only way out is through blind faith in a book that has undergone 2000 years of writes and rewrites.

It smacks of vanity, which I understand is a human trait, a "sin."  Is not god above sin and human emotion?  Or is he just not as all powerful as he would like to let on?

 

[Dj:Eep]

Don't  , Speak your mind.  Who knows, you might just change mine.

[westy6789]

Don't  , Speak your mind.  Who knows, you might just change mine.

I have been intentionally avoiding this one because I love you folks and I don't want to "fix it if it ain't broken"

I am a former new age child who has experienced astral travel, spirit guides, white wicca, some chanting Buddhism and lots of drugs to open my mind from my 13th bday until I was 23. I have not done it all, but I have done allot.

I am now a born again Christian and have been since I was 23. Don't get me wrong, none of this has been an easy experience and I had a lot of anger, questions, and bitterness when my 17 yr old son who was planning on becoming a pastor hung himself and I had to cut him down, do CPR for an hour and loose him. This made me very mad at God.

What I have come to live with is that the supernatural is VERY real, and my heart really digs the
"Give Love without expectation or return" which is what Jesus was preaching.
Love others and help as needed, whenever needed without reservation or expectation of reward.

I was one of the founding guys who started a homeless ministry in downtown Ft Worth a few years back. We began it by bringing donuts and orange juice to the homeless/ day labourer gathering place every Saturday morning.

Not much, but it was a start. We did this for about 3 1/2 years and as time passed more and more people from our church got involved. After a little time I started building relationships with the people I would meet and trying to come up with ways to help them get back on their feet.

One sunday I brought several of my friends to the church and we went into the extra clothes closet there. They were sooo happy! Then I took them to the Golden Corral and we had a great lunch!

I did get in trouble at the church from the older ladies that collect the clothes but I didn't care.

So we started bringing anyone that wanted back to the church for clothes (until I got locked out) and food. It was the most satisfying feeling to love someone in a tangable way...

After a short while it became pretty expensive at the restaurant, we were able to get the church to support us by letting us use their buses and the same group of older ladies began cooking incredable meals for all instead of the restaraunt.

By the time I moved down here away from Ft Worth we had over 30 people move from the street to homes and jobs and new lives, mostly one at a time. Ultimately we were able to overcome the prejudice at the church and our friends were fully accepted. I really miss them. We went from Jay and I about 25 consistant volunteers too. Growth is awesome!

I have not been doing much at all, in fact nothing since Liam died, but I am ready to step back in now I think..

True love is an action I believe, but you know I am no expert.

Although I am involved with it I do not like "organized religion" per say. It is mans creation not Gods. Same with denominations, mans creation not Gods.

If you can get to the real message in the Bible, away from the hype etc you would all dig it too. It is this:
Love your neibor as you love yourself, and love God with all your heart, mind, soul and being. If we did this, we wouldn't have the room for all of that "mans creation" to get in the way.

Love Matt

[zozo]

Don't  , Speak your mind.  Who knows, you might just change mine.

I have a daughter your age.  Nothing will change the mind of a 20 something year old other than life itself.  That's not a slam, I was no different.

[GostaBerling]

I really just don't know. I remember a saying from where im not sure but it was a god one. Something like, " I wish people did not believe, instead have a good idea of what it is."

It's from the movie Dogma. Chris Rock (the 13th apostle) said it to the protagonist.

Religion has facinated me for years. I was brought up in a Jewish family, but never fit in with the Jewish community. That was partly because both of my parents converted to Judaism from Christianity. I find it very interesting as to how are perceptions of religion and good and evil has a lot to do with the epistemological knowledge we use the most. If we believe in traditional local knowledge (that which can only be applied locally, i.e. shamanism) then we will see good as anything that works with society and anything evil as something that is outside of society (this is how witches as evil beings began). If we believe in a modern epistemological context then we will see God and Good as something that is outside of our world and therefore can be applied universally to all peoples. Evil then becomes the absences or rejection of God. If we believe in a post-modern epistemological context then God and Good is located inside each of us, evil then is anything that goes against what you want to do. It's all about the individuals interpretations.

Biology and sociology seem to have a large part in shaping the way we view the soul. We can feel the workings of almost all our organs (at one time or another in our life) except the brain. There are very few sensory receptors inside our head, that is why they can do brain surgery with you awake, therefore we can not feel ourselves think, unlike how we can feel when we are hungry or when we need to go to the bathroom. Through neuroscience we have discovered that there is not just one part of the brain that processes everything, instead there is a part that just sees stripes, one part that just sees squares or circles or triangle. There does not seem to be a single part that science can link as a center or our thought process. Since we cannot feel all this going on up there, we have a tendency to think that is where our soul lives and since we are in an egocentric society that soul is a single part that makes us who we are. But if you look at more sociocentric societies they tend to look at the soul as being made up of many parts. As the group makes up the individual, so does the group in the soul make the individual.

As far as where I stand. I have no clue. I know that I think therefore I am (thanks Descartes) and I know that I cannot stop thinking, even when I sleep. So I it is hard to fathom oblivion, therefore I believe that there is something after death. Further, living in a westernized culture I see time as a linear path. Being linear it has a beginning and an ending. My life too has a begining and an ending, almost everything to my eyes has a beginning and an ending. Therefore it is hard for me to understand a being that is eternal. I have no cultural bases to support this, if I believe it then I have to do so on faith alone. If I don't then I have no real explanation for how we came to exist.

Sorry for the novel, I just have a lot of ideas and no answers.

[Recycle]

I really just don't know. I remember a saying from where im not sure but it was a god one. Something like, " I wish people did not believe, instead have a good idea of what it is."

It's from the movie Dogma. Chris Rock (the 13th apostle) said it to the protagonist.

Religion has facinated me for years. I was brought up in a Jewish family, but never fit in with the Jewish community. That was partly because both of my parents converted to Judaism from Christianity. I find it very interesting as to how are perceptions of religion and good and evil has a lot to do with the epistemological knowledge we use the most. If we believe in traditional local knowledge (that which can only be applied locally, i.e. shamanism) then we will see good as anything that works with society and anything evil as something that is outside of society (this is how witches as evil beings began). If we believe in a modern epistemological context then we will see God and Good as something that is outside of our world and therefore can be applied universally to all peoples. Evil then becomes the absences or rejection of God. If we believe in a post-modern epistemological context then God and Good is located inside each of us, evil then is anything that goes against what you want to do. It's all about the individuals interpretations.

Biology and sociology seem to have a large part in shaping the way we view the soul. We can feel the workings of almost all our organs (at one time or another in our life) except the brain. There are very few sensory receptors inside our head, that is why they can do brain surgery with you awake, therefore we can not feel ourselves think, unlike how we can feel when we are hungry or when we need to go to the bathroom. Through neuroscience we have discovered that there is not just one part of the brain that processes everything, instead there is a part that just sees stripes, one part that just sees squares or circles or triangle. There does not seem to be a single part that science can link as a center or our thought process. Since we cannot feel all this going on up there, we have a tendency to think that is where our soul lives and since we are in an egocentric society that soul is a single part that makes us who we are. But if you look at more sociocentric societies they tend to look at the soul as being made up of many parts. As the group makes up the individual, so does the group in the soul make the individual.

As far as where I stand. I have no clue. I know that I think therefore I am (thanks Descartes) and I know that I cannot stop thinking, even when I sleep. So I it is hard to fathom oblivion, therefore I believe that there is something after death. Further, living in a westernized culture I see time as a linear path. Being linear it has a beginning and an ending. My life too has a begining and an ending, almost everything to my eyes has a beginning and an ending. Therefore it is hard for me to understand a being that is eternal. I have no cultural bases to support this, if I believe it then I have to do so on faith alone. If I don't then I have no real explanation for how we came to exist.

Sorry for the novel, I just have a lot of ideas and no answers.

Well said, now I remember that movie- heh was kinda a spoof but some parts were quite funny... You have a good idea of whats going on from my perspective. 

[GostaBerling]

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Well said, now I remember that movie- heh was kinda a spoof but some parts were quite funny... You have a good idea of whats going on from my perspective. 
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Thanks for the kind words . Dogma is one of my fav movies, it attacked all organized religions not just the Christianity that was the center piece of the movie. I believe that the phrase you quoted is one of the best takes on religion, that we should have an idea of what is going on. For ideas can change and human culture is in a constant state of change. Hence the differences and confusions between generations.

[Wizzard]

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[Dj:Eep]

I have a daughter your age.  Nothing will change the mind of a 20 something year old other than life itself.  That's not a slam, I was no different.

Really?  Try me. 

It is a "slam."  You were different than me in your twenties, as is your daughter, and anyone else for that matter.  I would never be offended by you expressing your views to me.  But to make a baseless assumption on my openmindedness and willingness to take in and evaluate the views of others, thereby avoiding facing your own discomfort surrounding the  underlying topic, that offends me.

I like you zozo, like everyone here, please don't change that by disrespecting me like that again.

[74surfrwagon]

I too when I saw this thread was and am worried. Your impression of me is about to change!

I am sure many will have many questions for me when I tell you I am one of Jehovah's Witness's. 

You have given reason for why you are what you are and please don't be offended for my reasons for they are MY reasons and I feel very confident in the evidences given to me. It takes 6 months to a year of weekly study to make an intelligent decision for me and my studies have been going on for over 20 years.  My wife and I have devoted over 20 combined years to our Full time ministries.  Yes I am an Ordained Minister.

I too got fed up with organized religion and the hypocrasy in it.  I was in college when I started studying the Bible and had many questions like Why all the suffering if God suppoedly cares?  If he is a GOd of love and Justice why HELL?

What do we believe?  God will return the earth to its original purpose a paradise for all mankind to live in perfection without death. Ps 37:9-11;Matt 5:5;Rev 21:3,4 and list on this is quite extensive. 

Why the tolerance of injustice and suffering?  This explanation requires a little more study but in short here it is.  Adam and Eve were created without sin but as God has created both heavenly and earthly beings with free will some including Adam, Eve and Satan mis-used this free will for selfish purposes.  Satan through the serpent in the garden told Eve, God was a liar and was withholding knowledge and power from her. Gen 3:1-5  This is the first time in Forever anyone has ever challenged God.  Satan claimed that man can rule themselves better than what God can.  ONLY TIME WOULD TELL. So time has been allowed.  Now to God 1000 years to us is but a day to him. 2 Pet 3:8 so from Gods viewpoint this issue isn't a week old yet.

When will it be enough? SOON!  Matt 24 outlines the last days of this system and proof is in the pudding, SOON!

What happens at death?  Eccl 9:5,10 makes it plainly clear, nothing!  We are asleep and conscious of nothing at all. 

What is the deads hope?  John 5:28,29 All will recieve a ressurection in that paradise earth to be given a second chance at submitting to God.

Who is Jehovah?  GOD! Ps 83:18 and over 6000 more scriptures reveal his name as Jehovah.


When I joined this board I was worried if I would fit in.  I do!  Cars and hobbies are a wonderful bond.  In a previous thread some time ago when Collie was mad and left the board I stated that one needs to seperate the deeds we disagree with from the person.  I can like and even have affection for you guys without condoning any lifestyles I have a problem with as long as I don't share in those lifestyles. I do not pass judgement on you guys, for that is not a humans job to do.  My focus is my family and I.

And as for me being in the Adult Forum awhile back, I am not happy about that at all!  Probably my most stressed out period of my life and a little self destructive.  No one is perfect, especially me!  I am thankful it is not readily available and thus broke me of that habit.

I hope this came across well, because I meant it well and meant no offense by any of my words.

Michael

[McT]

Mike your cool with me just ring ring first dont knock! 

[74surfrwagon]

Mike your cool with me just ring ring first dont knock! 

McThirsty, If I ring your bell, Dude! You better open up because I travelled a loooong way to say Hi!

Thanks McT!

[McT]

Hehe..of course i would....   

...Had a GF years back Hazel, her mum was a Jehovahs Witness. She was a kind woman. a little cranky but very kind. I remember something about certain  (not)  rules but ideals that she lived by. No drugs, alcohol stuff like that- She never pushed anything onto us kids, tho she did read to us outa the book if we asked her too and never realised we were banged out on acid either. 

My GF Hazel was irish, so a devoted catholic...I found breakfast rendevous in the kitchen a very interesting adventure where religion was often a topic on the menu, specially on the back end of a psychadelic come down with a cup of scolding hot tea infront of me hovering slightly above the table cloth.

[zozo]

I have a daughter your age.  Nothing will change the mind of a 20 something year old other than life itself.  That's not a slam, I was no different.

Really?  Try me. 

It is a "slam."  You were different than me in your twenties, as is your daughter, and anyone else for that matter.  I would never be offended by you expressing your views to me.  But to make a baseless assumption on my openmindedness and willingness to take in and evaluate the views of others, thereby avoiding facing your own discomfort surrounding the  underlying topic, that offends me.

I like you zozo, like everyone here, please don't change that by disrespecting me like that again.

I apologize.  It was not intended as a slam, but I see your point.  It doesn't make me uncomfortable in the least.  I am not however going to try to explain something that life has taught me.  Not life through where I've worked, what I've read, education...but life itself.  Burying people, friends, relatives, enemies.  Starving for food, love, attention.  Suffering mentaly, physically, emotionally.  Seeing and helping people that have never had it as good as myself, even when I was at my lowest.  50 years of LIFE.  That's what molded my beliefs and for me to try to explain that to someone that has most likely not experienced it in the same way would be futile.

At the end of the day we all believe what we want, and what we're comfortable with, regardless of what ANYONE says.  I personally hope that my beliefs and my "good deeds" had somehow squared things with the higher power and have earned me a pass to the great hereafter where all of the above is not even a memory.

Again, I didn't intend to insult you.  I'm sorry.

BTW, I don't like that emoticon ( ) either.  You used it on a post when I mentioned that global warming is bullshit.  I didn't like it then either. 

[Wizzard]

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This is getting real close to forcing me to tell you all the Truth ! And I don't think you are ready ........